Is the island of Taiwan separate from China just like Madagascar and Mozambique...?

Question

...or New Guinea and Australia, or Ceylon and India, or Trinidad and Venezuela? Why do persons from (or pretending to represent) the PRC think it belongs to China?

Answer 1

For the person that said, "Taiwan is part of China and always has been," I must ask... have you ever read a book on Taiwanese history? Such a false and inaccurate statement undermines the credibility of your entire argument. Taiwan's first inhabitants, referred to as the aborigines, are a group of Austronesian people with not a drop of Han blood. Taiwan was later colonized by foreign powers from the West, such as the Dutch and Spanish. The Portuguese also came over in the sixteenth century and named Taiwan "Ilha Formosa." Formosa was also later colonized by China under the Qing (who might I add, were Manchurian -- NOT Han Chinese). During Chinese rule, there was great tension between the Taiwanese people and the Qing government and more than 80 rebellions took place. Sound like a harmonious relationship? Nope. Then you know (or at least I hope you do) that Japan came to rule Formosa for 50 years until their defeat in World War II. You may argue that at this point Taiwan should've been ceded to China, but... not really. Read this:



“In 1955, U.S. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, co-author of San Francisco Peace Treaty, affirmed that the treaty ceded Taiwan to no one; that Japan “merely renounced sovereignty over Taiwan”.[15] Dulles said that America “cannot, therefore, admit that the disposition of Taiwan is merely an internal problem [of China].”



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For the person that said, "Taiwan legally belongs to nobody? If it is true, anyone claims the sovereignty of the land, the land will belongs to him." How about this: Taiwan belongs to Taiwan and the Taiwanese people.



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For the person that said that Taiwanese people and culture are the same as Chinese, you are wrong. While it is true that most Taiwanese have Han blood, most ALSO have the native Taiwanese aboriginal blood in them as well. Because most immigrants to Taiwan were men, they intermarried with the aboriginal women -- creating interracial Taiwanese children. This is a characteristic unique to Taiwanese people. I myself have blood from the Puyuma and Pingpu tribe. In addition, it is also true that Taiwanese culture shares similarities with Chinese culture, BUT they are inevitably still not the same. Do Chinese families integrate Japanese language into their daily speech? I know this does not apply to every Taiwanese family, but my family sure does. To name just a few, I've heard them say lingo (apple), yobi (spare) and kawaii (cute). When I'm with my relatives, the elders often say "itadakimasu" before meal and "gochisosima" after meal. There are also words in Taiwanese and Mandarin that originated from other languages. I won't name them all, but here are some examples:



Mandarin:

一極棒 (yijibang) from 一番 (ichiban) which means "the best".

便當 (biandang) from 弁当 (bentou) which means "boxed lunch".



Taiwanese:

麵包 = phang, means “bread”, Japanese: 「パン」，from Portuguese “pão” (Hokkien: 麵包 mee pao)

機車 = o-to-bai, means “auto bike/motorcyle”, Japanese:「オートバイ」, from English “auto bike” (Hokkien: 機車 Ki tshia)

肥皂 = sap-bun, means “soap”, from Portuguese 「sabão」 (Hokkien: 雪文 sap bun, 茶箍 te kho)



These are all words that I have personally heard my parents say. While yes, it's true that both Chinese and Taiwanese speak Mandarin, it's no different from the fact that both Mexicans and Venezuelans speak Spanish. Taiwanese people have their own geographical accents, too. Overseas Taiwanese also tend to use Wade-Giles pinyin for their last names instead of Hanyu Pinyin (e.g. Hsieh and not Xie, Chang and not Zhang). But most importantly, I want to say that the experiences of a Taiwanese person and the experiences of a Chinese person are not the same. History shapes your identity and I am certain that a Mainlander cannot comprehend the significance of the 228 Massacre or the White Terror that ensued after the alien government of the corrupt KMT took over as a Taiwanese person would.



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The P.R.C. has no jurisdiction over Taiwan. How then can Taiwan be part of China?

Answer 2

You mien by water . That is there in all of the islands . But as some one said all of them are poor . Who wants a poor island . China wants one that has something . And China wants, that's enough .

You know a lot of people here don't or can't read . Legally , that's like a treaty . Right ? So when China sign a treaty that give it to Japan legally and then Japan sign a treaty that give it to the USA legally after WW I I then it is ....... China's ? When did they sign in on this again.

The islands around the US that you said was like Taiwan (coop) when did the US lose them and what treaty was that .

Some one said(sailor8) that they were uneducated and others were educate , some are educate .

Then there are some that can't are don't read at all .

They make you look smart !

And that Japan invaded Taiwan in 1895 , I think that is occupy Taiwan in 1895 . Didn't they have a treaty that said that Taiwan was theirs . And a lot of money . Hey does China want that to .

Oh and tell the 4 year old that if all the powers in the world say that his fort is his and sign a treaty to that , he will have a country . China might sign that .

A educated question and all of these answers .

Sorry WNL.



EDIT; Litte one for the 100th time it don't . You might not like this but it is a fact .

Answer 3

What you have here is a educated question being answered by a bunch of uneducated people. I would fall in the uneducated just like the rest of these people who answered. But now CI, Coop and liyuwo have made me see I am smarter than I thought.The difference in what I say is that we live in a educated time and all countries do things by the International laws. As far as Taiwan goes anyway. Now if we forget personal opinions and go by legal documents, Billy I hate to say it but the Japanese did not sign Taiwan over to the PRC. Japan acquired Formosa from the mainland China on April 17 1895 in The Treaty of Shimonoseki Article 2b give Japan the Island and China give up any and all claims to it. In The San Francisco Peace Treaty or The Treaty of Peace with Japan Sept 8 1951 Article 2 b Japan gave up all control of Formosa and all legal claims and documents. Article 4b Gave the US Military or Government all control of Formosa with no contesting of any action the US took. Among the nations who signed this agreement were the US and Japan. I think there is no doubt the US did not ever think of giving this island to Mao.



Edit: Coop, I have listed here some International Treaties that are accepted as Legal explaining who has the rights to Taiwan. Do you have anything other than your mouth to back up these wild fairy tales you have said? You know the islands you compare Taiwan too are nothing alike. CI, the same for you. If you people would tell anybody where you dream up what you say, everybody might want some too. Most of you only say what you are told but why are you told such wild stories and NEVER have anything credible to support what you say. I have nothing personal against most, but to me I see I am talking about facts and documents and the other side is saying things like a small child, na na na an. Maybe people do not like facts, there are some I do not like. But I make the best out of what I have. As for any claim, you have nothing. You can scream and cry or you can use force, that is your only options unless the people of Taiwan want to join mainland. You are your biggest enemy. The US people could care less if Taiwan joins China or not, but they do care if a big powerful nation jumps on a small people who want to govern their selves. These Treaties are Legal and binding so that leaves you two options, be nice and see if the people we join you or pull a Hitler and attack and put the world back into a war. Who would support your cause? What other nations?

Answer 4

I know several people in mainland China and I have attempted to talk to them about this topic, the majority of them just tell me that Taiwan has always been apart of China and they don't know why they want to be independent. There are the rare and few that have said they understand Taiwan is not a part of the PRC, but they are usually highly educated or they have lots of Taiwanese friends, or are Chinese who grew up outside of China's "info-sphere".



I really can't understand the PRC's claims over Taiwan, since they didn't defeat the ROC and completely dismantle their government and since the world still technically recognizes the ROC as a sovereign government other wise Taiwanese people would not be able to travel/live abroad with ROC passports and foreign nationals would have to seek approval of the PRC to enter Taiwan rather than ROC approval, so there is very little if any evidence to prove the PRC's claims. Sure they might have the title of CHINA, but that doesn't mean they have the title to Taiwan.



As for Billies answer even he agrees he has not answered the question, it seems to be a lot of double talk that leads to nothing. No offenses towards Billy but that's how it strikes me.

Answer 5

"Are Taiwan and Hong Kong part of China?" " Is China bigger than America?" The status of Taiwan has yet to be determined. Those who understand international law know why Taiwan is not recognized by the U.N. Taiwan is still known as the "Republic of China," until there is a change of name. Hong Kong, the former British Colony, returned to China as a "Special Autonomous Region" in July, 1997. Somehow you missed that... Taiwan too could join China under "One Country Two Systems." No need to be confused, since the situation has not been settled yet.

Answer 6

for the 100th times, it belongs to china, the same people and culture for several thousands years.

note i didn't say it belongs to PRC, it belongs to china.



i wonder why Kosovo and Taiwan are the same level that's left out the UN.



i wonder why the Taiwanese girl made friend with me in class but not the Syrian girl. The Taiwanese girl and I use exactly the same english-chinese/chinese-english e-dictionary, because we speak the same language!



i wonder why people always want to divide instead of unify.



i wonder why world peace is so hard for so many people...

Answer 7

You know as well as I do that Taiwan is part of China. When will you accept reality and move on with your life?



Taiwan was part of China dating back many centuries. Unfortunately, Taiwan was invaded and occupied by the Japanese in 1895. The Japanese stayed until their defeat in World War II, but Taiwan soon had a new problem. A terrorist army led by the warlord Chiang Kai-Shek invaded and occupied Taiwan in 1949. The descendants of those clowns still control Taiwan, but they are gradually realizing the pointlessness of separation from China. A reunifying trade deal was recently signed that effectively restores Taiwan as a province of China for economic purposes.



My 4 year old nephew often builds a "fort" with pillows from his parents bedroom. He hides in the "fort" and says that no one can come in because he is an "independent country". His parents are used to this and don't make a fuss. However, when bedtime comes his parents just scoop him up and put the pillows back where they belong. The present Taiwan government is like my 4 year old nephew. China is his parents.

Answer 8

I just want to ask back, why dont you think Taiwan doesnt belong to China.



Taiwan legally belongs to Japan? You can ask this question to Japanese, listen to what will they answer.

Taiwan legally belongs to nobody? If it is true, anyone claims the sovereignty of the land, the land will belongs to him. But unfortunately, both ROC and PRC claimed sovereignty of the land for more than 60 years, and as far as I know, there is no member in the global community having different opinion on Taiwan belonging to China.



By the way, Taiwan is prosperious place of course, its GDP is just behind Gongdong province, jiangsu province, shandong province, as the forth prosperious province of China in 2009.

Answer 9

Honestly, this world is whack.

Research "facts" from all sides of the story, then come up with your own conclusion.



IMO it is a part of china.

See, during the civil war, communist china won and the republics retreated to Taiwan(which China won from Japan as a result of WWII, who got it from the Qing empire in 1895.)



And then many anti-communism countries (ex.USA) would generally back up Taiwan through propaganda and misinformation.



Research it , interesting topic, lots of factors affecting it through history. WWII, civil war, Korean war. etc



EDIT: Sorry, didn't exactly answer your question.

The PRC thinks it belongs to china because it does, however, few disagree. but, they are backed by most of the world, mainly the extremely EXTRA america, considering they are anti-communism.

the situation is sorta the same idea as things like ,conspiracies, or quebec-canada situation. Theres always gonna be different sides to everystory and different wants for everything.

Answer 10

Manhattan, Long Island, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, and the Florida Keys are examples of islands that belong to their nearest Mainland.



Madagascar and Sri Lanka (you incorrectly called it Ceylon) are troubled islands that are not wanted by their Mainland. Madagascar is desperately poor with 70% of its people living on less than $1 per day. Sri Lanka just fought a 25 year civil war and remains highly chaotic.



Taiwan is lucky that it is loved and wanted by its Mainland. The Taiwanese people are embraced by their compatriots on the Mainland as brothers and sisters.



Taiwan is part of China and always has been. After all, there is only one China. Even the separatists temporarily running Taiwan refer to it as the "republic of China".